Rough Idle and hesitation

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Rough Idle and hesitation

Postby Merrix » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:19 pm

I'll start off with a back story. I have a 97 Pathfinder with 188K miles and for the past 6 months or so, I've had a hesitation under load between 2000 and 3000 RPM. The hesitation wasn't severe but definite power loss. It feels like I'm letting off the accelerator and pressing it back on gently. After plugs, wires, cap, rotor and fuel filter the symptoms lessened but still there. Couple weeks ago I was planning on a road trip but had decided to turn back 10 miles into the trip after the highway hesitation turned into what feels like a misfire. After a couple more days of driving around town, I now have a rough idle and at times the engine will stall completely at a stop. While the engine was cold yesterday morning and this morning, I was getting white/blue smoke and smelled of raw fuel and after a quick hard test drive with barely diluted seafoam in the tank, I was getting more of a black/blue smoke and raw fuel smell at a rough idle.

I have no check engine light and nothing apparent under the hood. I have yet to do a full inspection for vacuum leaks. I took the EGR valve off and sprayed it down with brake clean but nothing more since I'm not too familiar with how the valve works. All hoses on the valves are attached and in good shape. I've researched distributors are usually the issue with my symptoms.

Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you


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Postby smj999smj » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:35 pm

Distributors can do this and are very common on VG engines. I would also make sure the vacuum hose didn't come off of the fuel pressure regulator and would test the fuel pressure. I would also check he front oxygen sensors and clean the EGI grounds and contact point where they are mounted to the upper intake plenum.

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Postby Merrix » Sun Jul 09, 2017 7:17 pm

Thank you for the help smj999smj. I replaced the distributor as well as clean the contacts on the intake and I still have the same symptoms. At times, it runs just fine and others it's wanting to stall and heavy hesitation under no load from 1500 to 2200 rpm. I haven't located the regulator yet but that's my next step as well as check for fuel pressure. I believe the regulator is behind the intake near the firewall? Couple friends of mine are leaning towards an air/fuel issue which makes sense.

How do I go about checking if the O2 sensor is faulty or is that something you just replace? Haven't done much with O2 sensors.

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Postby smj999smj » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:20 am

Yes, regulator is at the back of the engine at the end of the fuel rail and near the firewall of the engine compartment.

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Postby Merrix » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:26 pm

I found the regulator and the vacuum hose is attached and in good shape. Nissan sure did make it not easy to get to. Looks like you have to pull the intake to replace it? Anyway, I'm trying to track down a pressure tester to test my fuel system and from what I researched, it looks like 35 PSI is what is called for?

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Postby smj999smj » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:26 pm

Yes, 34-36 psi regulated and around 45 psi static pressure is normal. The upper intake plenum needs to be removed in order to replace it.

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Postby Merrix » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:01 pm

I finally got a hold of a fuel pressure tester and tested the system and it appears the fuel system is all good. Pressure at idle is around 35 and with a pinched return line, the pressure would jump up to near 70. Tested vacuum on the regulator and that is all working properly.

smj999smj you had mentioned O2 sensors and checking them. How do I go about testing the sensors?

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Postby smj999smj » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:39 am

You would need a scan tool that can graph their signals to do it properly. With that, you could also graph the TPS signal, as well. It sounds like the regulator is working fine. It would be nice if we could get a reading of each of the spark patterns with an oscilloscope but that's typically a piece of shop equipment and it's getting harder to find auto techs that know how to read them!

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Postby Merrix » Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:21 pm

Unfortunately I don't know anyone with a scan tool that will graph signals. I can get a hold of a scope though as well as a user who can use the tool. I think I'm just gonna pull the plug and replace both pre-cat sensors. Found a good deal online.

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Postby smj999smj » Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:49 pm

I recommend NTK and Denso oxygen sensors, only. Other brands are sometimes a gamble as to how well they work or how long they last. Also, avoid "universal" sensors that require you to splice into the original sensor's harness and use the old sensor's connector; they can give you problems, as well.

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Postby Merrix » Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:38 pm

I was able to find "direct fit" sensors that come with the correct connectors that were fairly inexpensive. The brand I bought was APW, I've never heard of the brand but I'm going to give them a try and see.

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Postby smj999smj » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:51 am

I've heard of them. APW is short for "Auto Parts Warehouse" and they've been around since the early '70's. I don't think they actually make any auto parts, rather, they purchase them from other companies and resell them under their brand name. They might be okay, but, I don't use them, personally.

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Postby Merrix » Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:57 pm

They should ( 2 upstream sensors) should be here by Thursday. We'll see if they make any difference for me. I'm feeling optimistic about the sensors being the issue. Fingers crossed. I'll be going on a camping trip this weekend so it will be a good test.

Thank you for all your help smj. I'll post an update after the weekend.

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Postby Merrix » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:15 pm

My O2 sensors came in a day early, replaced them (both upstream) and took her for a quick test drive. She's definitely running smoother but seems like I should have more power. It did stall on me once I got home, parked and let the engine idle. I'll know more when I go on my camping trip this weekend.

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Here's what they look like. A bit charred but not sure if that means anything. They also look original.

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Postby Merrix » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:12 am

I'm revisiting this page as I'm still having the same issues with my idle and stalling. I've recently replaced my fuel pump and still having the same issues. Could my issues be a faulty EGR valve?


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