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Postby labsy » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:38 pm

Try locating alignment marks to see, if chain jumped.
Rotate crankshaft pulley clockwise to get all alignment marks to proper positions and inspect according to this scheme:
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Postby selliott » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:56 pm

Kestral wrote:Ok so if the engine jumped time that much is it possible the Pistons contacted the valves and bent them?
Possible thats why Im gonna do the leakdown. I was just doing a little exploratory surgery first lol. I have this posted on nissanhelp as well and they are suggesting the vtc sprocket is "stuck" causing the timing advance.

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Postby selliott » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:09 pm

Thank you for the diagram, that will help me get started

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Postby selliott » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:31 pm

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now that primary chain is were its supposed to be you can see that the intake cam sprockets dont line up as indicated by the gold paint. Also after closer inspection the cam timing chain tensioners are worn.
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Postby selliott » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:50 pm

Is the timing chain tensioner to far out, it seems to be really extended?

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Postby DavidUk11 » Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:56 am

Just happened to be browsing this forum and I am no expert but......

That timing gear all looks too good and tight to have jumped so much or have tensioners etc been replaced? Are there no marks on anything to give guidance as to alignment?

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Postby selliott » Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:01 am

DavidUk11 wrote:Just happened to be browsing this forum and I am no expert but......

That timing gear all looks too good and tight to have jumped so much or have tensioners etc been replaced? Are there no marks on anything to give guidance as to alignment?
The passenger side intake (vtc) gear timing is off. The primary chain all lined up properly but while I'm in there I will replace everything.

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Postby selliott » Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:01 pm

Ok.......well after replacing the primary and secondary chains, tensioners, both intake (vtc) sprockets, then triple checking everything and spinning the engine by hand making sure everything checked out I put it all back together and It ran for about a minute nice and smooth then died. Now it is doing exactly what it did before, it acts like the timing is off its missing and backfiring and won't run for more than 10 seconds. Any thoughts? Could this be a pcm issue?

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Postby smj999smj » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:30 am

It's possible, but PCM failures are somewhat rare on Nissans. Could be a bad cam position sensor or crank position sensor. Any stored codes?

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Postby selliott » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:29 pm

smj999smj wrote:It's possible, but PCM failures are somewhat rare on Nissans. Could be a bad cam position sensor or crank position sensor. Any stored codes?
No stored codes and both cam position sensors , crank position sensor and both vtc solenoids were replaced before starting this mess

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Postby eieio » Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:00 am

selliott wrote:
smj999smj wrote:It's possible, but PCM failures are somewhat rare on Nissans. Could be a bad cam position sensor or crank position sensor. Any stored codes?
No stored codes and both cam position sensors , crank position sensor and both vtc solenoids were replaced before starting this mess
were the replacements OEM parts?
did you ever do the leakdown or compression test?

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Postby selliott » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:19 pm

eieio wrote:
selliott wrote:
smj999smj wrote:It's possible, but PCM failures are somewhat rare on Nissans. Could be a bad cam position sensor or crank position sensor. Any stored codes?
No stored codes and both cam position sensors , crank position sensor and both vtc solenoids were replaced before starting this mess
were the replacements OEM parts?
did you ever do the leakdown or compression test?
Replacements were from my old engine so yes all oem. I did a leak down but no compression test but if you touch the pos and neg terminals clearing everything back to base it will run normally for a few seconds then begins missing and then dies.

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Postby selliott » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:53 pm

Ok so the dealership is dicking me around I paid a $100 to have it towed there then another $300 for diagnostics,i told them when I took it in that I knew the timing was off again but I'm not sure why. I also told them I had pictures of the timing setup before I put it back together if they would like to see them. So when they called me today they told me the timing is off 49 degrees each bank so I asked if they figured out why and they told me " we need to open it up and look at the chains because it was most likely installation error" 13hrs labor at almost $200 an hour I said no. I told the service guy I would bring the pictures in and they could look at them and he said "no that wouldn't tell us anything" I said well it would show you how they were setup and if I made a mistake you should be able to see it. The service guy then told me he would talk to the mechanic and call me back about the pictures. 5 hours later when he had not called me back I called again and the service guy said the mechanic would call me tonight (the mechanic lives a couple blocks from me and we are acquaintances) he didnt call and didn't answer my texts and when I called his phone is off. I am less then pleased about how this is being handled.
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After install I spun the engine over 3 full chain rotations to make sure everything was still lining up before I reassembled.

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Postby selliott » Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:18 pm

Well we found for some reason fuel trims are at 100%.We spent about 6 hrs testing and swapping parts, maf tests good, cam and crank sensors are working properly, injector pulse is good, oil pressure is good, compression is good, fuel pressure is good etc. We also pulled the inspection covers for the timing and It is not off. We tried artificially fueling it It does the same thing every single time....key off, key on, starts and runs for 10 to 15 seconds then the ecm takes over and changes something and it sputters and dies. Everything points back to the ecm so I have one coming tomorrow, if that doesn't work im out of ideas.

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Postby calepic » Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:56 am

I'm having similar trouble with a P0011 code and think I have it narrowed down to the VTC solenoid. Have you checked the VTC solenoids on each bank for proper operation? Low oil level, dirty oil, or incorrect viscosity along with low oil pressure can also affect their operation from what I've read.

In your case, it seems logical to me that if one bank is advancing the timing and the other isn't, it would cause the ECM to go into limp mode.


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