Looking for some tire advice here. I am fed up with the OE Long Trails (crap in the wet) and with a Christmas 3500 mile round trip looming I'd prefer to change before I go. Generally, my driving consists of city/highway and some time off road. Nothing particularly gnarly but regularly (weekly) on dirt or rocky/sandy desert for a mile or two to a trailhead or something. Round here the rocks tend to be sharp, although I have not put a hole in the Long Trails yet (and the distance/technicality doesn't warrant airing down) but then I don't over-exert them for fear of doing just that.
I'm thinking of a few different brands, all AT (Yokohamas, Firestones, Michelins and the new Goodyear kevlar Wrangler Adventure). I know there's much useful info and good opinions elsewhere on this site but one basic question is the title of this thread - LT or P rating? I just got a quote for the goodyears from a local store. Apparently I have both options in the OE size (265-65-17) and the price difference is only about $10/tire with the LTs higher (both rated for 60K miles) but available much sooner. I understand the LT will be stronger and heavier, but will this translate into a harsher ride? What kind of pressures do those of you running LTs use? Are they likely to be louder even with the same tread pattern? Also, these goodyears are newly released, so hardly any tire rack or other reviews - anyone have any experience with them?
LT vs P pros and cons
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I have had both. The LTs were LT265/75/16s, Bridgestone Dueler REV02s. They were heavy, and it was noticeable. For instance, when you put your vehicle in drive, usually you need to apply the brake to prevent from rolling forward. With these tires, I didn't have to do that.
Switched back to the same tire, but P265/70/16s, and when I put the vehicle in D, I have to apply the brake to ensure I don't roll forward.
To me, this shows that the weight and rolling resistance were much higher. Although I felt like a boss in the truck when I had the bigger tires, I don't think it was worth the fuel economy I lost.
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Switched back to the same tire, but P265/70/16s, and when I put the vehicle in D, I have to apply the brake to ensure I don't roll forward.
To me, this shows that the weight and rolling resistance were much higher. Although I felt like a boss in the truck when I had the bigger tires, I don't think it was worth the fuel economy I lost.
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I've actually been blown away by the performance of the toyo open country at2. I bought them in 285-70-17. Great road manners, both wet and dry. Minimal road noise. Haven't really tested them offroad yet.
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You might look into the goodyear wrangler silent armors. Had those on my old jeep and they were a great AT tire in both P and LT ratings. As already stated, the LTs are usually heavier because of the extra belts. That usually means you will sacrifice MPGs, however they are better at resisting punctures etc. The SAs are a great tire in the first place against road debris/punctures so with how you describe your use, I think the P rated silent armors would be a good fit for you.
Edit: I'll probably buy those when I get new tires for my pathfinder. While the duratracs have been nice, I have had a decrease in MPGs with them and my wife drives the crap out of my Pathfinder.
Edit: I'll probably buy those when I get new tires for my pathfinder. While the duratracs have been nice, I have had a decrease in MPGs with them and my wife drives the crap out of my Pathfinder.
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I've had both as well. The Duratracs I'm running now are LT in a C load range. Haven't noticed any hit to the mileage at all, but they really aren't much heavier than a P rated tire. I usually have mine aired up to about 38-40 psi. I'd call them a very soft tire, although they are getting fairly loud now that I've worn off most of the tread.
I have a set of General AT2's and do some light off roading and also driving in the snow. So far, they have not let me down. Shortly after getting the, I came upon a cop that was stuck up a decent hill in a snow bank in someone's driveway. There was already snow packed on the driveway and his car was a full size crown vic, I had no problem pulling him out. didn't even spin the tires at all that I noticed. Didn't notice the Slip light coming on. They are P rated.
Well, thanks for the feedback. The deed is finally done, went with a set of Silent Armor in the end. I must say they look great and ride pretty well (on all of 10 miles or so since this morning...). Naturally, I get them installed the day after winter pays its brief annual visit to southern NM...missed the snow by 24 hours and of course it's all gone now! Doh.
Same thing happened to me last year. My duratracs came in about a week late, and before that, on my Maxima, the tires showed up the day OF the storm. This is of course after I needed to hitch a ride because the summer tires on the Maxima were no match for the snow.leadpig wrote:Well, thanks for the feedback. The deed is finally done, went with a set of Silent Armor in the end. I must say they look great and ride pretty well (on all of 10 miles or so since this morning...). Naturally, I get them installed the day after winter pays its brief annual visit to southern NM...missed the snow by 24 hours and of course it's all gone now! Doh.
Anyhow, come up north a few hours, plenty of it left here.
I really like the look and reviews on the GYSA's. Would like to hear how they do.
Did you go with P or LT at the end?leadpig wrote:The deed is finally done, went with a set of Silent Armor in the end.
I am at the same dilemma right now. I tow a boat (aprox. 2500lb) sometimes with 4 people in the car and camping stuff in the cargo. In 3 year time I got 3 punctures in the rear tires. Now I am scratching my head trying to figure out if LT265/70R17 would be a better choice over OEM P265/65R17 long trails for me ...
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